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by Ahmed Trigui - 01:51 - 11 Dec 2024
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RE: Awnings dimensions app
Thanks David ! I’ll have a look.
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: David Beal [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: vrijdag 13 december 2024 14:02
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Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appLe ven. 13 déc. 2024 à 12:29, David Beal <david.beal@akretion.com> a écrit :
Hi Ahmed,
You might consider taking a look here
Let me know if you have any questions
Le ven. 13 déc. 2024 à 09:16, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Thanks a lot for your answers, Graeme -)
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: donderdag 12 december 2024 11:54
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Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appFor the awning issue in particular, we used to do something similar in another system. You just end up making arbitrary distinctions in your variants. e.g. 500-1000mm W add $10, 1000-1500m add $20 and same for depth. I did that for 20 years and still have 1 customer doing like that. In fact even for all the advancement with DSL's etc mentioned above, 90% of pricing still internally follows that pattern. The main reason being is that other peoples systems can't handle truly dynamic dimensions at the invoice level and needs the arbitrary partcodes and distinctions.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:36 PM Graeme Gellatly <graeme@moahub.nz> wrote:
Well primarily i work with dimensioned products. Timber is actually a bit more complex because it is bought in cubes but sold in usually sizes x length. I did that with variants and so.e customisation.
But for basic things, if you consider a sale of a widget is 1 unit, then a sale of a dimensioned producy is 1 x 1.8 of something it is just one extra field or of 3d then d x w x h = v. If you need to record a whole list of things then say 4@ 4.8 6@3.2 adds up to roughly 38lm of something and can be held in a o2m on order line. All you are really manipulating is order qty.
Le jeu. 12 déc. 2024, 21:57, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Hi Graeme,
Do you have or know about a module that let define dimensions on products and on variants ? Because most things with awnings can be done with variants ( fabric color, alu color, operation mode ) but there is no possibility to have an attribute that let you specify a dimension as an integer value. The same for products. In for example wood products, you sell pieces but the price is in meter and the length is a parameter you must provide. Sometimes you also have a product with fixed dimensions ( a profile or a plate ), price in m of m², where you can sell as a hole or cut to dimensions ( with sometimes an extra fee as % for cutting ). A solution for these situations would be all is needed I think for a lot of use cases.
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2024 20:58
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Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appHi,
It doesn't really explain very well your question.
Is it off plans, is it for pricing, is it for BoMs, for manufacturing machine integration e.g. CNC, is it the paper cutting problem, etc etc etc. I've done a lot of work in this space within custom MTO for manufacturing and pricing of construction materials. The 2 most difficult modules I used to maintain are mrp_dynamic_line (public, but always too risky/aggressive to be OCA) which calculates Production Orders dynamically from template attributes. The second is a DSL for managing the specification for a particular industry to do pricing, send to BoM (using dynamic_line and materials list from DSL, and does calculate all the dimensions) and api to manufacturing equipment on the SO Line which is private. The actual part of that module that handles the dimensions calculation is quite simple. It is just a one2many on sale order line with a few basic fields (and every similar model)
Those between them + Odoo + OCA cover maybe 30% of the problem space.
If it is custom MTO, then you also have a LOT of product code/cost/attribute/tracking/valuation considerations because every item at least in this case can have a different cost based on those DSL attributes with no real relation to any UoM concept. You need to avoid this if you can.
Modern QS stuff, uses google earth to approximate dimension in brownfields, can read pdf plans, has onsite site measure functionality, produces necessary legal docs, quotes, 3d models etc, calculates angles and rakes, material specific things like can waste be reused elsewhere, environmental specific things like wind loading and engineering and legal requirements for them. And it does it in a few minutes, just needing regularly updated component pricing via a csv or similar.
Then production planning software manages complex scheduling like the 2d and 3d cutting problems.
Then machine specific software handles the rest.
But for simple cases, in newer versions of Odoo, and possibly just enterprise, they allow a configuration spreadsheet at the sale to populate the sale. And they have a new Engineering to Order approach. I have two other smaller manufacturing for construction clients who had been using external tools wanting this investigated, but not started yet.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:52 AM Ahmed Trigui <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
Hello community,
I'm looking for a module to calculate awnings dimensions.
Is there any app which covers this need please ?
Thank you!
--
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by johan - 03:41 - 13 Dec 2024 -
Re: Awnings dimensions app
Le ven. 13 déc. 2024 à 12:29, David Beal <david.beal@akretion.com> a écrit :Hi Ahmed,You might consider taking a look hereLet me know if you have any questionsLe ven. 13 déc. 2024 à 09:16, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :Thanks a lot for your answers, Graeme -)
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: donderdag 12 december 2024 11:54
Aan: Contributors
Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appFor the awning issue in particular, we used to do something similar in another system. You just end up making arbitrary distinctions in your variants. e.g. 500-1000mm W add $10, 1000-1500m add $20 and same for depth. I did that for 20 years and still have 1 customer doing like that. In fact even for all the advancement with DSL's etc mentioned above, 90% of pricing still internally follows that pattern. The main reason being is that other peoples systems can't handle truly dynamic dimensions at the invoice level and needs the arbitrary partcodes and distinctions.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:36 PM Graeme Gellatly <graeme@moahub.nz> wrote:
Well primarily i work with dimensioned products. Timber is actually a bit more complex because it is bought in cubes but sold in usually sizes x length. I did that with variants and so.e customisation.
But for basic things, if you consider a sale of a widget is 1 unit, then a sale of a dimensioned producy is 1 x 1.8 of something it is just one extra field or of 3d then d x w x h = v. If you need to record a whole list of things then say 4@ 4.8 6@3.2 adds up to roughly 38lm of something and can be held in a o2m on order line. All you are really manipulating is order qty.
Le jeu. 12 déc. 2024, 21:57, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Hi Graeme,
Do you have or know about a module that let define dimensions on products and on variants ? Because most things with awnings can be done with variants ( fabric color, alu color, operation mode ) but there is no possibility to have an attribute that let you specify a dimension as an integer value. The same for products. In for example wood products, you sell pieces but the price is in meter and the length is a parameter you must provide. Sometimes you also have a product with fixed dimensions ( a profile or a plate ), price in m of m², where you can sell as a hole or cut to dimensions ( with sometimes an extra fee as % for cutting ). A solution for these situations would be all is needed I think for a lot of use cases.
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2024 20:58
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Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appHi,
It doesn't really explain very well your question.
Is it off plans, is it for pricing, is it for BoMs, for manufacturing machine integration e.g. CNC, is it the paper cutting problem, etc etc etc. I've done a lot of work in this space within custom MTO for manufacturing and pricing of construction materials. The 2 most difficult modules I used to maintain are mrp_dynamic_line (public, but always too risky/aggressive to be OCA) which calculates Production Orders dynamically from template attributes. The second is a DSL for managing the specification for a particular industry to do pricing, send to BoM (using dynamic_line and materials list from DSL, and does calculate all the dimensions) and api to manufacturing equipment on the SO Line which is private. The actual part of that module that handles the dimensions calculation is quite simple. It is just a one2many on sale order line with a few basic fields (and every similar model)
Those between them + Odoo + OCA cover maybe 30% of the problem space.
If it is custom MTO, then you also have a LOT of product code/cost/attribute/tracking/valuation considerations because every item at least in this case can have a different cost based on those DSL attributes with no real relation to any UoM concept. You need to avoid this if you can.
Modern QS stuff, uses google earth to approximate dimension in brownfields, can read pdf plans, has onsite site measure functionality, produces necessary legal docs, quotes, 3d models etc, calculates angles and rakes, material specific things like can waste be reused elsewhere, environmental specific things like wind loading and engineering and legal requirements for them. And it does it in a few minutes, just needing regularly updated component pricing via a csv or similar.
Then production planning software manages complex scheduling like the 2d and 3d cutting problems.
Then machine specific software handles the rest.
But for simple cases, in newer versions of Odoo, and possibly just enterprise, they allow a configuration spreadsheet at the sale to populate the sale. And they have a new Engineering to Order approach. I have two other smaller manufacturing for construction clients who had been using external tools wanting this investigated, but not started yet.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:52 AM Ahmed Trigui <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
Hello community,
I'm looking for a module to calculate awnings dimensions.
Is there any app which covers this need please ?
Thank you!
--
Ahmed Trigui
Conseiller Analyste fonctionnel
+1 514-317-7944
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by David BEAL - 02:01 - 13 Dec 2024 -
Re: Awnings dimensions app
Hi Ahmed,You might consider taking a look hereLet me know if you have any questionsLe ven. 13 déc. 2024 à 09:16, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Thanks a lot for your answers, Graeme -)
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: donderdag 12 december 2024 11:54
Aan: Contributors
Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appFor the awning issue in particular, we used to do something similar in another system. You just end up making arbitrary distinctions in your variants. e.g. 500-1000mm W add $10, 1000-1500m add $20 and same for depth. I did that for 20 years and still have 1 customer doing like that. In fact even for all the advancement with DSL's etc mentioned above, 90% of pricing still internally follows that pattern. The main reason being is that other peoples systems can't handle truly dynamic dimensions at the invoice level and needs the arbitrary partcodes and distinctions.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:36 PM Graeme Gellatly <graeme@moahub.nz> wrote:
Well primarily i work with dimensioned products. Timber is actually a bit more complex because it is bought in cubes but sold in usually sizes x length. I did that with variants and so.e customisation.
But for basic things, if you consider a sale of a widget is 1 unit, then a sale of a dimensioned producy is 1 x 1.8 of something it is just one extra field or of 3d then d x w x h = v. If you need to record a whole list of things then say 4@ 4.8 6@3.2 adds up to roughly 38lm of something and can be held in a o2m on order line. All you are really manipulating is order qty.
Le jeu. 12 déc. 2024, 21:57, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Hi Graeme,
Do you have or know about a module that let define dimensions on products and on variants ? Because most things with awnings can be done with variants ( fabric color, alu color, operation mode ) but there is no possibility to have an attribute that let you specify a dimension as an integer value. The same for products. In for example wood products, you sell pieces but the price is in meter and the length is a parameter you must provide. Sometimes you also have a product with fixed dimensions ( a profile or a plate ), price in m of m², where you can sell as a hole or cut to dimensions ( with sometimes an extra fee as % for cutting ). A solution for these situations would be all is needed I think for a lot of use cases.
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2024 20:58
Aan: Contributors
Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appHi,
It doesn't really explain very well your question.
Is it off plans, is it for pricing, is it for BoMs, for manufacturing machine integration e.g. CNC, is it the paper cutting problem, etc etc etc. I've done a lot of work in this space within custom MTO for manufacturing and pricing of construction materials. The 2 most difficult modules I used to maintain are mrp_dynamic_line (public, but always too risky/aggressive to be OCA) which calculates Production Orders dynamically from template attributes. The second is a DSL for managing the specification for a particular industry to do pricing, send to BoM (using dynamic_line and materials list from DSL, and does calculate all the dimensions) and api to manufacturing equipment on the SO Line which is private. The actual part of that module that handles the dimensions calculation is quite simple. It is just a one2many on sale order line with a few basic fields (and every similar model)
Those between them + Odoo + OCA cover maybe 30% of the problem space.
If it is custom MTO, then you also have a LOT of product code/cost/attribute/tracking/valuation considerations because every item at least in this case can have a different cost based on those DSL attributes with no real relation to any UoM concept. You need to avoid this if you can.
Modern QS stuff, uses google earth to approximate dimension in brownfields, can read pdf plans, has onsite site measure functionality, produces necessary legal docs, quotes, 3d models etc, calculates angles and rakes, material specific things like can waste be reused elsewhere, environmental specific things like wind loading and engineering and legal requirements for them. And it does it in a few minutes, just needing regularly updated component pricing via a csv or similar.
Then production planning software manages complex scheduling like the 2d and 3d cutting problems.
Then machine specific software handles the rest.
But for simple cases, in newer versions of Odoo, and possibly just enterprise, they allow a configuration spreadsheet at the sale to populate the sale. And they have a new Engineering to Order approach. I have two other smaller manufacturing for construction clients who had been using external tools wanting this investigated, but not started yet.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:52 AM Ahmed Trigui <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
Hello community,
I'm looking for a module to calculate awnings dimensions.
Is there any app which covers this need please ?
Thank you!
--
Ahmed Trigui
Conseiller Analyste fonctionnel
+1 514-317-7944
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by David BEAL - 12:30 - 13 Dec 2024 -
RE: Awnings dimensions app
Thanks a lot for your answers, Graeme -)
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: donderdag 12 december 2024 11:54
Aan: Contributors
Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appFor the awning issue in particular, we used to do something similar in another system. You just end up making arbitrary distinctions in your variants. e.g. 500-1000mm W add $10, 1000-1500m add $20 and same for depth. I did that for 20 years and still have 1 customer doing like that. In fact even for all the advancement with DSL's etc mentioned above, 90% of pricing still internally follows that pattern. The main reason being is that other peoples systems can't handle truly dynamic dimensions at the invoice level and needs the arbitrary partcodes and distinctions.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:36 PM Graeme Gellatly <graeme@moahub.nz> wrote:
Well primarily i work with dimensioned products. Timber is actually a bit more complex because it is bought in cubes but sold in usually sizes x length. I did that with variants and so.e customisation.
But for basic things, if you consider a sale of a widget is 1 unit, then a sale of a dimensioned producy is 1 x 1.8 of something it is just one extra field or of 3d then d x w x h = v. If you need to record a whole list of things then say 4@ 4.8 6@3.2 adds up to roughly 38lm of something and can be held in a o2m on order line. All you are really manipulating is order qty.
Le jeu. 12 déc. 2024, 21:57, Johan Van Hirtum <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :
Hi Graeme,
Do you have or know about a module that let define dimensions on products and on variants ? Because most things with awnings can be done with variants ( fabric color, alu color, operation mode ) but there is no possibility to have an attribute that let you specify a dimension as an integer value. The same for products. In for example wood products, you sell pieces but the price is in meter and the length is a parameter you must provide. Sometimes you also have a product with fixed dimensions ( a profile or a plate ), price in m of m², where you can sell as a hole or cut to dimensions ( with sometimes an extra fee as % for cutting ). A solution for these situations would be all is needed I think for a lot of use cases.
With kind regards,
Van Hirtum Johan
Van: Graeme Gellatly [mailto:notifications@odoo-community.org]
Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2024 20:58
Aan: Contributors
Onderwerp: Re: Awnings dimensions appHi,
It doesn't really explain very well your question.
Is it off plans, is it for pricing, is it for BoMs, for manufacturing machine integration e.g. CNC, is it the paper cutting problem, etc etc etc. I've done a lot of work in this space within custom MTO for manufacturing and pricing of construction materials. The 2 most difficult modules I used to maintain are mrp_dynamic_line (public, but always too risky/aggressive to be OCA) which calculates Production Orders dynamically from template attributes. The second is a DSL for managing the specification for a particular industry to do pricing, send to BoM (using dynamic_line and materials list from DSL, and does calculate all the dimensions) and api to manufacturing equipment on the SO Line which is private. The actual part of that module that handles the dimensions calculation is quite simple. It is just a one2many on sale order line with a few basic fields (and every similar model)
Those between them + Odoo + OCA cover maybe 30% of the problem space.
If it is custom MTO, then you also have a LOT of product code/cost/attribute/tracking/valuation considerations because every item at least in this case can have a different cost based on those DSL attributes with no real relation to any UoM concept. You need to avoid this if you can.
Modern QS stuff, uses google earth to approximate dimension in brownfields, can read pdf plans, has onsite site measure functionality, produces necessary legal docs, quotes, 3d models etc, calculates angles and rakes, material specific things like can waste be reused elsewhere, environmental specific things like wind loading and engineering and legal requirements for them. And it does it in a few minutes, just needing regularly updated component pricing via a csv or similar.
Then production planning software manages complex scheduling like the 2d and 3d cutting problems.
Then machine specific software handles the rest.
But for simple cases, in newer versions of Odoo, and possibly just enterprise, they allow a configuration spreadsheet at the sale to populate the sale. And they have a new Engineering to Order approach. I have two other smaller manufacturing for construction clients who had been using external tools wanting this investigated, but not started yet.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:52 AM Ahmed Trigui <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
Hello community,
I'm looking for a module to calculate awnings dimensions.
Is there any app which covers this need please ?
Thank you!
--
Ahmed Trigui
Conseiller Analyste fonctionnel
+1 514-317-7944
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by johan - 09:15 - 13 Dec 2024