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Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
Hi,
EBICS is a protocol, whatever the file format is
We routinely use it with our customer in Switzerland.
If needed, you can contact me directly, EBICS implementation are not the same for all the Swiss Bank
09 septembre 2020 12:02 "Frederik Kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com> a écrit:
Dear fellow Odooers, being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again i stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall functionality. As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS. However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers. I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been tested)? I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not really useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465 As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for SEPA as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually (with flat files)? Thanks for any repsonse in that regards Cheers Frederik -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155_______________________________________________Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.orgUnsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe
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by J-A Eberhard - 01:41 - 9 Sep 2020
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[26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
Dear fellow Odooers, being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again i stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall functionality. As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS. However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers. I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been tested)? I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not really useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465 As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for SEPA as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually (with flat files)? Thanks for any repsonse in that regards Cheers Frederik -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 12:01 - 9 Sep 2020-
Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
Hi Luc, thank you for this detailed information. I will review this and try to get the problem fixed with our customer. Best Frederik Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2020, 13:56 +0000 schrieb luc.demeyer@noviat.com: > The account_ebics module suite works on top of OE as well as OC. > > There is an account_ebics_oe module that auto_installs in case of OE. > > There is imho little added value in using OE when it comes to EBICS. > > We support the OCA payment order as well as the OE batch_payment. > > > > The bank statement parsing in the account_ebics module uses the OCA > as well as the OE parsers (by calling the > account_bank_statement_import wizard). > > In order for the import to work on IBAN as well as local account > numbers I recommend to also install the > account_bank_statement_import_helper (which I proposed one day to the > OCA but never got merged, hence download it from > github.com/Noviat/noviat-apps). > > > > Concerning sandboxes: > > Also Credit Suisse has a sandbox environment. > > > > Regards, > > Luc > > > > > > From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:02 > To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org> > Subject: Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration > > > > Ah cool Luc, > > > Does that sit on top of the OCA work and did you find > a good sandbox to test against in any other German bank > than the DZ Bank ? And it seems to require OE but > we'll definitley have a look into that. Thx for the hint > > > Best Frederik > > > Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2020, 12:12 +0000 schrieb > luc.demeyer@noviat.com: > > > > We have lots of integrations on odoo 8 up to 13 with the > > > > account_ebics suite (https://github.com/Noviat/account_ebics) with > > > > French, german and swiss banks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:02 > > > > To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org> > > > > Subject: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear fellow Odooers, > > > > > > > > > > > > being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking > again > > > > i > > > > stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the > current > > > > implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall > > > > functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > > As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) > are > > > > following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly > > > > replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite > > > > underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to > officially > > > > offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their > customers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the > folks > > > > at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a > > > > German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been > > > > tested)? > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test > environment > > > > but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not > > > > really > > > > useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in > > > > Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465 > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA > > > > mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for > > > > SEPA > > > > as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with > open > > > > invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually > > > > (with flat files)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any repsonse in that regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers Frederik > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer > > > > Geschäftsführer > > > > > > > > initOS GmbH > > > > An der Eisenbahn 1 > > > > 21224 Rosengarten > > > > > > > > Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 > > > > Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 > > > > Mobil: +49 179 3901819 > > > > > > > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com > > > > Web: www.initos.com > > > > > > > > Geschäftsführung: > > > > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken > > > > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 > > > > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 > > > > USt-IdNr.: DE815580155 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > > > > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > > -- > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer > Geschäftsführer > > initOS GmbH > An der Eisenbahn 1 > 21224 Rosengarten > > Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 > Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 > Mobil: +49 179 3901819 > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com > Web: www.initos.com > > Geschäftsführung: > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 > USt-IdNr.: DE815580155 > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 04:25 - 9 Sep 2020 -
RE: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
The account_ebics module suite works on top of OE as well as OC.
There is an account_ebics_oe module that auto_installs in case of OE.
There is imho little added value in using OE when it comes to EBICS.
We support the OCA payment order as well as the OE batch_payment.
The bank statement parsing in the account_ebics module uses the OCA as well as the OE parsers (by calling the account_bank_statement_import wizard).
In order for the import to work on IBAN as well as local account numbers I recommend to also install the account_bank_statement_import_helper (which I proposed one day to the OCA but never got merged, hence download it from github.com/Noviat/noviat-apps).
Concerning sandboxes:
Also Credit Suisse has a sandbox environment.
Regards,
Luc
From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:02
To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Subject: Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS IntegrationAh cool Luc,
Does that sit on top of the OCA work and did you find
a good sandbox to test against in any other German bank
than the DZ Bank ? And it seems to require OE but
we'll definitley have a look into that. Thx for the hint
Best Frederik
Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2020, 12:12 +0000 schrieb
luc.demeyer@noviat.com:
> We have lots of integrations on odoo 8 up to 13 with the
> account_ebics suite (https://github.com/Noviat/account_ebics) with
> French, german and swiss banks.
>
>
>
> Luc
>
>
>
> From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:02
> To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
> Subject: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
>
>
>
> Dear fellow Odooers,
>
>
> being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again
> i
> stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current
> implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall
> functionality.
>
>
> As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are
> following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly
> replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS.
>
>
> However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite
> underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially
> offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers.
>
>
> I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks
> at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a
> German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been
> tested)?
>
>
> I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment
> but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not
> really
> useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in
> Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465
>
>
> As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA
> mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for
> SEPA
> as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open
> invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually
> (with flat files)?
>
>
> Thanks for any repsonse in that regards
>
>
> Cheers Frederik
>
>
> --
> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
> Geschäftsführer
>
> initOS GmbH
> An der Eisenbahn 1
> 21224 Rosengarten
>
> Phone: +49 4105 56156-12
> Fax: +49 4105 56156-10
> Mobil: +49 179 3901819
>
> Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
> Web: www.initos.com
>
> Geschäftsführung:
> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke
>
>
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
> Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
> Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
> USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15
> Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org
> Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe
>
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--
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
Phone: +49 4105 56156-12
Fax: +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil: +49 179 3901819
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web: www.initos.com
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Luc De Meyer. - 03:56 - 9 Sep 2020 -
Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
Ah cool Luc, Does that sit on top of the OCA work and did you find a good sandbox to test against in any other German bank than the DZ Bank ? And it seems to require OE but we'll definitley have a look into that. Thx for the hint Best Frederik Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2020, 12:12 +0000 schrieb luc.demeyer@noviat.com: > We have lots of integrations on odoo 8 up to 13 with the > account_ebics suite (https://github.com/Noviat/account_ebics) with > French, german and swiss banks. > > > > Luc > > > > From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:02 > To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org> > Subject: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration > > > > Dear fellow Odooers, > > > being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again > i > stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current > implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall > functionality. > > > As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are > following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly > replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS. > > > However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite > underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially > offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers. > > > I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks > at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a > German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been > tested)? > > > I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment > but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not > really > useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in > Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465 > > > As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA > mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for > SEPA > as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open > invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually > (with flat files)? > > > Thanks for any repsonse in that regards > > > Cheers Frederik > > > -- > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer > Geschäftsführer > > initOS GmbH > An der Eisenbahn 1 > 21224 Rosengarten > > Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 > Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 > Mobil: +49 179 3901819 > > Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com > Web: www.initos.com > > Geschäftsführung: > Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken > Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 > Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 > USt-IdNr.: DE815580155 > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15 > Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.org > Unsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribe -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
by Frederik Kramer - 03:01 - 9 Sep 2020 -
RE: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
We have lots of integrations on odoo 8 up to 13 with the account_ebics suite (https://github.com/Noviat/account_ebics) with French, german and swiss banks.
Luc
From: Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 12:02
To: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Subject: [26132] Status of the EBICS IntegrationDear fellow Odooers,
being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again i
stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current
implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall
functionality.
As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are
following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly
replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS.
However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite
underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially
offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers.
I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks
at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a
German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been
tested)?
I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment
but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not really
useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in
Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465
As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA
mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for SEPA
as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open
invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually
(with flat files)?
Thanks for any repsonse in that regards
Cheers Frederik
--
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
Phone: +49 4105 56156-12
Fax: +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil: +49 179 3901819
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web: www.initos.com
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
USt-IdNr.: DE815580155
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by Luc De Meyer. - 02:11 - 9 Sep 2020 -
Re: [26132] Status of the EBICS Integration
Hi,EBICS is a protocol, whatever the file format isWe routinely use it with our customer in Switzerland.If needed, you can contact me directly, EBICS implementation are not the same for all the Swiss Bank09 septembre 2020 12:02 "Frederik Kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com> a écrit:Dear fellow Odooers, being asked by a customer and coming across FinTech and banking again i stumbled on the EBICS standard and tried to make sense of the current implementation status in Europe / Germany and the overall functionality. As i have read, French as well as Swiss banks (among the Germans) are following this bank integration standard and slowley but constantly replace their older HBCI / FinTS interfaces in favor of EBICS. However, at least for Germany i found the bank infrastructure quite underdeveloped. For instance only German DZ-Bank seems to officially offer a sandbox to test the integration and only to their customers. I therefore wonder if there is any partner out there (maybe the folks at Akretion and Noviat know) that is using the integration with a German bank (and if so against which test environment has it been tested)? I saw that Zürcher Kantonalbank of Switzerland has a test environment but obviously doesn't follow the whole standard, so that is not really useful for the standard case (which should hopefully be applied in Germany) https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/465 As far as i can see the implementation can for now hand in SEPA mandates to banks, but does it also receive a list of payments for SEPA as well as NON-SEPA payments from the bank to be reconciled with open invoices or is that still something that needs to be done manually (with flat files)? Thanks for any repsonse in that regards Cheers Frederik -- Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer Geschäftsführer initOS GmbH An der Eisenbahn 1 21224 Rosengarten Phone: +49 4105 56156-12 Fax: +49 4105 56156-10 Mobil: +49 179 3901819 Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com Web: www.initos.com Geschäftsführung: Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226 Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247 USt-IdNr.: DE815580155_______________________________________________Mailing-List: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15Post to: mailto:contributors@odoo-community.orgUnsubscribe: https://odoo-community.org/groups?unsubscribeAvec mes cordiales salutations.Jacques-André EberhardCEO & Founder ● Certified Odoo Functionnal SpecialistOpen Net Sàrl ● Odoo Gold PartnerRue de Genève 771004 Lausanne VD+41 21 701 42 45Odoo Ne vivez plus avec vos problèmes, résolvez-les.
by J-A Eberhard - 01:41 - 9 Sep 2020
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