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Re: OCA/bank-payment-alternative


If there is not already a policy in place to manage situations such as this, I propose that the PSC ask the people on this list who have followed the conversation to give a non-binding private or public vote to the steering committee to show the path that they support, with a reason why (and neither will be challenged). It may be that there is a clear support one way from this community however it is hard for many people to engage with such a deep thread.


If there is such a policy, a review of the OCA guidelines should be conducted to understand if the policy or implementation were not sufficient, and clear direction given to ensure future competitions between features or implementations are dealt with promptly through a clear process. Members who participate in this community therefore are bound to these ways of working and held to account when disagreement occurs.


Should this episode end with the departure of Pedro, it would indicate failure of the management of the community, because people should not be drawn out to this point; it is beyond healthy discord. However with confidence in improved process and governance, it may make it easier for contributors to stay committed, having confidence in the governance and  knowing that we have all learned from this experience.


Best wishes,

Stuart.



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by Stuart J Mackintosh - 09:26 - 28 Jun 2025

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  • OCA/bank-payment-alternative
    Dear OCA friends,

    On March 26th 2025, Stéphane Bidoul sent an email on this mailing-list with the subject "The future of OCA/bank-payment". If you missed it, you can find it in the archives:

    After some long discussion/debate, it was decided to let the chance for an alternative OCA banking project that would use the native payment method object of the "account" module (account.payment.method.line). This project is named OCA/bank-payment-alternative and you can find it here: 

    We had to change the module names in OCA/bank-payment-alternative. Here are the new names that were chosen :

    OCA/bank-payment OCA/bank-payment-alternative
    account_payment_order account_payment_batch_oca
    account_banking_pain_base account_payment_sepa_base
    account_banking_sepa_credit_transfer account_payment_sepa_credit_transfer
    account_banking_mandate account_payment_mandate
    account_banking_mandate_sale account_payment_mandate_sale
    account_banking_sepa_direct_debit account_payment_sepa_direct_debit
    account_payment_mode native + account_payment_base_oca
    account_payment_partner native
    account_payment_sale account_payment_base_oca_sale

    Here are the main changes in the datamodel introduced by OCA/bank-payment-alternative :
    1. Adoption of the native object account.payment.method.line as "Payment Method" (replaces the OCA object account.payment.mode)
    2. Introduction of account.payment.lot, which represent the Payments Lots (corresponds to the PmtInf i.e. Payment Information block of the SEPA XML files). If your bank groups the debits/credits on your bank statement for the payments, a lot matches one debit or credit payment line on your bank account. This object is generated upon confirmation of the payment order and is used in the generation of the XML (and should soon be used in the bank statement reconcile interface)
    3. the datamodel of the mandate has been simplified: the field "format" also has the information of the "scheme" field, so "format" now has 3 possible values : basic, sepa_core or sepa_b2b. The field "scheme" has been removed. The field "type" has 2 possible values: recurrent or oneoff (instead of 3 possible values : generic, recurrent or oneoff). The field "recurrent_sequence_type" has been removed because we don't need to handle the "first" vs "recurring" sequence any more : since November 2016, "the requirement to use the sequence type ‘First’ in a first of a recurrent series of Collections is no longer mandatory" according to the European Payment Council (EPC), cf SDD Core Rulebook. The "final" sequence is now supported by the state field which has a new "final" state that can be activated via a button. The field "partner_id" is NOT a related field of partner_bank_id any more, which solves the bug "account_banking_mandate: Change in the filtering behavior of the "Bank Account" field" https://github.com/OCA/bank-payment/issues/1473 With all these simplifications on the mandate datamodel, the form view and list view of mandates are more user-friendly.
    4. The field generated_user_id has been removed from account.payment.order (the info is present in the chatter)
    5. On account.payment.method, the boolean field "payment_order_only" has been renamed to "payment_order_ok" (for consistency)
    6. The boolean field "convert_to_ascii" has been removed from account.payment.method : we consider that this option should be always on (there is a hook in the code in case you need to disable it).
    Here is a summary of the new features and improvements by order of importance :
    • Take into account the boolean field "allow_out_payment" of res.partner.bank on payment orders : when you try to confirm a payment order that has bank accounts on payment lines with allow_out_payment = False, you will get a blocking error message. The affected payment lines will be shown in red and you will have a smart button that gives access to the bank accounts that are not allowed to send money to. To enable "allow_out_payment", you need to be part of a specific group "Validate bank accounts" (XMLID account.group_validate_bank_account). As a consequence, we don't inherit the native ACL of res.partner.bank that give full rights to partner manager any more : the security is handled by "allow_out_payment".
    • by default, there is a sequence of payment orders and another sequence for debit orders. It is possible to configure a specific sequence for a payment mode.
    • add support for "Regulatory Reporting" in the SEPA XML structure (tag RgltryRptg). Needed in some countries for international non-SEPA credit transfers.
    • replace unstructured address by structured address in SEPA XML file (mandatory starting 11/2025)
    • add support for pain.008.01.08 (SDD) and pain.001.001.09 (SCT), which are now the recommended versions of the EPC
    • easier download of the banking file after generation
    • add field acc_number_scrambled on res.partner.bank for easy and direct use of scrambled account number
    • search on partner_id from account.payment.order
    • support currencies with decimal_places != 2 in ISO20022 XML file generation
    • on mandates, fields format, type, signature date and partner are not editable any more when state != draft
    • remove support for pain.001.001.02/04/05 (SCT) and pain.008.01.03/04 (SDD) which have never been selected by the EPC, to simplify the code
    • stop using safe_eval() in XML generation
    • replace all @api.onchange by computed fields
    • add sql unicity constraint on payment order number per company
    Many bugs have been fixed:
    You can have a complete list of the changes and bug fixes of OCA/bank-payment-alternative on these 2 issues:

    But, for me, the most important of OCA/bank-payment-alternative is the investment made on the quality of the code, not only on the SEPA XML generation but also on the lower-level modules.

    OCA/bank-payment-alternative will continue to focus on code quality and innovation (which involves datamodel changes when needed).
    Now that the modules are merged, the next priority should be on providing migration scripts for v17 to v18 migration.

    So, for v18, you now have the choice between OCA/bank-payment and OCA/bank-payment-alternative. Happy hacking !

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    Alexis de Lattre
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    by Alexis de Lattre - 03:34 - 21 Jun 2025