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Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions 

Let me respond inline.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 8:59 PM Landis Arnold
<notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

> Hi,

> You can run Enterprise or Community.  If you like to "roll your own" then go with Community.  You can run as many databases and business you like.

   Understood, thank you for the response.    I will need to figure
out the intricacies associated with "running as many databases and
business[es] as [I would] like".   But with Enterprise, I can't do the
above without the additional fees associated with the user/licenses,
but I am curious about specific databases making use of the enterprise
modules/apps versus others only making use of the community edition.
Again, it will take some tinking to figure out those thresholds.


> RE enterprise, they have updated some subscription rates so you might find it more affordable.  I believe you will pay per "database and user" for Enterprise.  If you run One Database and have a small number of users and can afford the $40 or so per month license, then running Enterprise will allow you to install what you want rather than figuring out how to do what you want without the Enterprise package.

     I'm not worried about the $40 or so per month license, as long as
the modules/apps provide $40 worth of value to me.   I'm just not yet
sure of the value, again tinkering.


> Generally there are many/many Community additions to odoo.  The additions work on Community or Enterprise levels.  You can also purchase additions "apps" (Ie modules with Costs) and run them on Community or Enterprise.  https://apps.odoo.com  should be the link.

     Yes, I am aware.   It is a bit overwhelming when looking at all
of them for the first time.   I hope to be able to contribute back to
the community as I am in the benefiting stage of the interactions.
Give me a bit of time and I'll be happy to return the gesture.


> If you want to just use "OCA" apps, then you can look at:

> https://odoo-community.org/shop?&search=project status

> though best, I feel is to look at Github:

> https://https://github.com/OCA/

Yes, I've looked through the above.  Again, quite overwhelming for
those without institutional knowledge that I will only gain by using
the platform.


> It is important to know that most "repositories" on Github for OCA contain several "modules" within them, whereas the Odoo Apps and the Odoo-community.org link above are generally showing "modules only" (generally).

> It takes some time but you can work through it.

 No doubt.   I'm sure I will figure out the differences between
modules and apps in due course.


> I would be happy to help give you a tour.  I am more of a "user" than a "programmer" but if I can do builds well, my goal is to use Odoo Community plus OCA apps.  I have purchased a few and there are some good ones, but the rigorous build control of OCA is better, in my opinion, than many of the commercial addons.

> People put in a whole lot of work here and they do it because they want/and need their systems to work well and the way they need them to work.

I would really appreciate a tour.   I can be found on LinkedIN, so
please reach out and we can talk there.  From what I have been able to
find, I can see the amount of work and positive vibes that have been
put out by the community and as I said above, I would really like to
be able to contribute back, when I am in a position to do so.   It's
amazing how far the community has been able to come and can only
imagine what others have developed.   I hope to be able to count
myself as one of the people who has been able to get the system into a
place that works for all of my use cases.   It's an incredible
platform for a wide range of use cases.

Charles
by cgucker - 05:21 - 31 Jan 2023

Reference

  • Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions 
    Greetings,

       I'm new to the Odoo community.   I ran across Odoo while
looking for a Point of Sale for my girlfriend's business (brick and
mortar), but alas, we have been using GoHighLevel which has a lot of
overlap with Odoo.   As a result, I was looking at the offerings from
Odoo with respect to the community edition and the enterprise
editions.   But from what I can tell, enterprise subscriptions must
pay per user and Odoo.sh must host the deployment.

      I wear a number of hats at a number of different companies, such
as the requirement for my girlfriend's business below, a not for
profit corporation, which could benefit greatly from efforts in Odoo,
as well as my full time job, which could use Odoo as a cloud services
provider for internal accounting and forecasting purposes.

      All in all, I've been in the Internet industry for a long time
and have my own cabinet in a well connected data center with plenty of
compute and storage capabilities, so naturally, I would like to self
host.   I spent a few hours trying to find Odoo resources, which is
how I found my way here.  I also looked through the App directory, but
I was having a hard time reconciling the App directory with the
offerings included within the enterprise license.    Does anybody have
a pointer to a URL, or documents, which go into any level of detail on
how to create the enterprise experience in a self-hosted environment?
  As a side note, I would like to whitelabel the URL for my
girlfriend's business.   Further, I would want to nest multiple client
instances within a deployment (for her clients' environments) and then
be able to white label a specific clients environment, but that's a
longer term vision.

     Any help that could be provided to point me in the right
direction would be greatly appreciated.    I see a lot of personal use
cases for Odoo, but am struggling to see where the current lines have
been drawn between enterprise and community.

Thank you in advance,
Charles
    by cgucker - 06:31 - 29 Jan 2023

    15 replies 15 replies

    • Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions
      On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 6:12 PM Dev <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

      The reason for it being complicated is to do with database setup. I haven't found any way to have a docker install creates no database, so you can open the page and create/restore a database as described in the docs for a new installation. 


      Ah, that makes sense. For local containers, we don't restore a database, so no problem. In production, I never wanted /web/database/manage to show up for even a second, so I have Terraform get the database into shape prior to running Odoo for the first time.
       
      by Adam Heinz - 02:20 - 13 Feb 2023
    • Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions
      On 13/02/2023 00:12, Dev wrote:
      Overall, I love the experience of dealing with containerized apps, compared to the old school style of installing them directly. However, there were two apps that stood out as being as struggle to install. One was Outline wiki (a great app once installed, however). The other was Odoo, both community and enterprise, but especially enterprise.
      Hello Lewy,

      Don't hesitate to contact us using the Odoo support if you have issues to use our docker image.

      Martin
      by Martin Trigaux - 10:05 - 13 Feb 2023
    • Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions
      hi,

      on dockerhub, odoo provides a docker-compose file that install everything, and is very quick to deploy, including a postgres database.


      Regards,
      Dominique 


      On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 07:12, Dev <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

      > I'm a little surprised by this statement. I prototyped Enterprise a few times between v12 and v15

      I learned docker last year over a period of about six months, so I'm not an expert - however I do have a fair degree of experience with Linux sysadmin spanning a decade or more, so I'm not a novice either. For work related reasons I ended up testing something like twenty different dockerized apps over this period, and Odoo was one of the later ones, so I was getting familiar by that time.

      Overall, I love the experience of dealing with containerized apps, compared to the old school style of installing them directly. However, there were two apps that stood out as being as struggle to install. One was Outline wiki (a great app once installed, however). The other was Odoo, both community and enterprise, but especially enterprise.

      The reason for it being complicated is to do with database setup. I haven't found any way to have a docker install creates no database, so you can open the page and create/restore a database as described in the docs for a new installation.

      Instead, what I get with every initial container, both writing my own compose scripts and following templates that I can find online, is loads of server errors (I forget exactly what errors now, but it was something to do with "database incorrectly initialized"). The only way around this that I have found is to add a command: 

      # Don't leave this line in for production!!
      # command: --db_host=${DB_HOST} --database ${DB_NAME} --db_user ${POSTGRES_USER} --db_password ${POSTGRES_PASSWORD} -i base


      Then on the first install I uncomment that, it creates a blank database and that allows me to access web/database/manage where I can finally restore the real database. Then I have to remember to uncomment the line and re-up the container (otherwise it will overwrite the database every time).

      As for enterprise, the only description in the docs for how to install is this:

      > Tip: For the Enterprise edition, you must add the path to the enterprise addons to the addons-path argument. Note that it must come before the other paths in addons-path for addons to be loaded correctly.

      https://www.odoo.com/documentation/16.0/administration/install/install.html

      When you download the enterprise files, you'll see that they have a folder structure similar to the entire Odoo install, including an addons folder. So, as per the tip, I added that enterprise/addons folder to the addons-path.

      This is incorrect. Instead, you need to add the *entire* enterprise folder structure as an addons folder, which means there's an addons folder with another addons folder inside it.

      I think it's fair to call this confusing and poorly documented, although it's far from the worst thing I've encountered in my dev career, or even in the Odoo docs.

      - Lewy

      P.S: If anyone can share a docker-compose template for community edition that does allow me to immediately access web/database/manage, I would appreciate it :)

      On 08-Feb-23 21:32, Adam Heinz wrote:
      On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:57 PM Dev <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

      In terms of usage, installing the Enterprise version from source using Docker is complicated and poorly documented.


      I'm a little surprised by this statement. I prototyped Enterprise a few times between v12 and v15 and seem to recall it being no more than adding an /mnt/enterprise-addons volume on top of the standard odoo:12-15 docker container. We do the exact same type of mounting for our own custom development and also for OCA modules. We ultimately decided not to go with it due to cost and legal arbitration being in Europe, but I still press my face up against the glass and stare longingly at the Spreadsheets module. ;-)

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      by dominique.k - 02:16 - 13 Feb 2023
    • Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions

      > I'm a little surprised by this statement. I prototyped Enterprise a few times between v12 and v15

      I learned docker last year over a period of about six months, so I'm not an expert - however I do have a fair degree of experience with Linux sysadmin spanning a decade or more, so I'm not a novice either. For work related reasons I ended up testing something like twenty different dockerized apps over this period, and Odoo was one of the later ones, so I was getting familiar by that time.

      Overall, I love the experience of dealing with containerized apps, compared to the old school style of installing them directly. However, there were two apps that stood out as being as struggle to install. One was Outline wiki (a great app once installed, however). The other was Odoo, both community and enterprise, but especially enterprise.

      The reason for it being complicated is to do with database setup. I haven't found any way to have a docker install creates no database, so you can open the page and create/restore a database as described in the docs for a new installation.

      Instead, what I get with every initial container, both writing my own compose scripts and following templates that I can find online, is loads of server errors (I forget exactly what errors now, but it was something to do with "database incorrectly initialized"). The only way around this that I have found is to add a command: 

      # Don't leave this line in for production!!
      # command: --db_host=${DB_HOST} --database ${DB_NAME} --db_user ${POSTGRES_USER} --db_password ${POSTGRES_PASSWORD} -i base


      Then on the first install I uncomment that, it creates a blank database and that allows me to access web/database/manage where I can finally restore the real database. Then I have to remember to uncomment the line and re-up the container (otherwise it will overwrite the database every time).

      As for enterprise, the only description in the docs for how to install is this:

      > Tip: For the Enterprise edition, you must add the path to the enterprise addons to the addons-path argument. Note that it must come before the other paths in addons-path for addons to be loaded correctly.

      https://www.odoo.com/documentation/16.0/administration/install/install.html

      When you download the enterprise files, you'll see that they have a folder structure similar to the entire Odoo install, including an addons folder. So, as per the tip, I added that enterprise/addons folder to the addons-path.

      This is incorrect. Instead, you need to add the *entire* enterprise folder structure as an addons folder, which means there's an addons folder with another addons folder inside it.

      I think it's fair to call this confusing and poorly documented, although it's far from the worst thing I've encountered in my dev career, or even in the Odoo docs.

      - Lewy

      P.S: If anyone can share a docker-compose template for community edition that does allow me to immediately access web/database/manage, I would appreciate it :)

      On 08-Feb-23 21:32, Adam Heinz wrote:
      On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:57 PM Dev <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

      In terms of usage, installing the Enterprise version from source using Docker is complicated and poorly documented.


      I'm a little surprised by this statement. I prototyped Enterprise a few times between v12 and v15 and seem to recall it being no more than adding an /mnt/enterprise-addons volume on top of the standard odoo:12-15 docker container. We do the exact same type of mounting for our own custom development and also for OCA modules. We ultimately decided not to go with it due to cost and legal arbitration being in Europe, but I still press my face up against the glass and stare longingly at the Spreadsheets module. ;-)

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      by dev - 12:10 - 13 Feb 2023
    • Re: Odoo -- Community v Enterprise Questions
      On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:57 PM Dev <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

      In terms of usage, installing the Enterprise version from source using Docker is complicated and poorly documented.


      I'm a little surprised by this statement. I prototyped Enterprise a few times between v12 and v15 and seem to recall it being no more than adding an /mnt/enterprise-addons volume on top of the standard odoo:12-15 docker container. We do the exact same type of mounting for our own custom development and also for OCA modules. We ultimately decided not to go with it due to cost and legal arbitration being in Europe, but I still press my face up against the glass and stare longingly at the Spreadsheets module. ;-)
      by Adam Heinz - 03:31 - 8 Feb 2023