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Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

El lun, 16 de may de 2022 a las 07:22:12 AM, Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> escribió:

I don't know how you all think about this but this -at least to me- seems personal.

Hi Frederik. Thanks for raising this point.

Indeed I agree with you. This is the 1st time in many years contributing to OCA that I see Pedro rejecting a new PSC. It is hard to see that as a coincidence when this person he's rejecting happens to have been a previous member of Tecnativa that is today in a separate company.

If you take a look at current PSCs in the Spanish localization team, you will see that, apart from bots, only these users are PSC:
  1. https://github.com/acysos
  2. https://github.com/pedrobaeza
  3. https://github.com/HaraldPanten
@acysos is not even a person, but a company. And has almost none OCA (or github) activity:

No doubt Rafael would be a better PSC than @acysos, FWIW.

For being PSC in a localization team what's really needed is to know the specific needs that apply for that legislation. I can tell you from personal experience that Rafael always consults required changes with Spanish accountants, lawyers and auditors.

And you can see it by yourself. This is not just my personal experience, but also can be seen in the open. For example, there was a recent discussion regarding a feature in the repo. Pedro's solution was to close the PR in 30 seconds, asking for a glue module and without further discussion. Later, when the glue module was provided, he also rejected it. Rafael, instead, asked more opinions, and at the end we got a better solution for everybody. Of course, Pedro made a direct commit of that solution, again without asking the original 1st time contributor or letting him contribute the fix.

Now judge by yourself: who acted as a better PSC there? IMO Rafael did a much better work, even without the appropriate permissions.

A PSC must help the community grow and shepherd the new contributors and new PSC. I have no doubt that's Rafael's intention, and he'll do an excellent work.

El lun, 16 de may de 2022 a las 09:27:19 AM, Sergio Corato <sergiocorato@gmail.com> escribió:
I agree with the view that a PSC must be approved by current PSCs, as personal knowledge is essential

Harald (PSC too) already approved Rafael in this same thread, and as shown @acysos is inactive (I vote for removing it as PSC due to inactivity). The rest of the community is also approving Rafael. So AFAICS Rafael's approval is perfectly valid.
by Jairo Llopis - 03:45 - 16 May 2022

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  • Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

    Dear contributors,

    I would like to apply as PSC for Spanish Localization

    I have deep knowledge in accounting and legal and fiscal requirements from Spanish administration. In fact, this Code Sprint I will focus only in reviewing and fixing Fiscal issues.

    I’m already PSC of other repositories like accounting.

    I think I can help to Spanish localization and maintain it up to date, as you know, reviewing functionally, testing, and organizing.

    https://github.com/rafaelbn

    Thanks to consider my request

    Regards,

    Rafael Blasco

     

    by "Rafael Blasco" <rblasco@moduon.team> - 05:56 - 13 May 2022

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    • RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

      Hello Ignacio,

       

      > “I need more information. Why this change?”

       

      I was on holidays in the beach, someone wrote me by WhatsApp asking if I know something about all the proposal PSC in that day, I didn’t know anything. The sea, the beach and 30º magic degrees was enough for me with my family. But I’m human and I was so curious, so I check my email.

       

      I realize that in my PSC proposal was a few answers, all positive except one, why now there was too many answers?

       

      I remembered the important Issue that odoo-community.org Odoo had with SPAM and that Jairo fixed with Stephan Bidoul couples weeks ago (you can check it in discord). So, I thought, hey! Maybe my proposal was saw for a few contributors as all the emails went to spam!

       

      The prove is that you didn’t receive the answer of Omar while it is there! à https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-243662?mode=&date_begin=&date_end=

      The email from Omar was rejected by your mail server.

       

      I just wanted to know the opinion of more contributors; (and that day looked like everyone would read it). In my first proposal I didn’t want to argument more after a decade in Odoo. I'm pretty tired of endless discussions with Pedro, I didn't want to argue anymore. But seeing so much movement, I thought, let's see what more people think, Pedro is a great contributor, but he is not the community nor is the location his, he is from everyone to everyone.

       

      Right now, honestly, I am very happy to see how great contributors and accounting experts like Vicent or Omar are PSC for a stronger, more united, more plural and higher quality localization.

       

      I am so happy that if you consider that the community will be better with me from PSC, great and if not, great too!

       

      For a more plural, more united, and more participatory community. With quality yes, but with kindness and empathy.

       

      Best regards for everyone and happy holidays!

       

      Rafael

       

       

      De: Ignacio Ibeas (Acysos S.L.) <notifications@odoo-community.org>
      Enviado el: jueves, 14 de julio de 2022 17:52
      Para: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      Hello,

      I'm the oldest PSC, but I know that now I'm less active.

      I don't understand. You request a several weeks ago, but you withdraw the request. Now I see you get the approve from the new PSC.

      Now you has this votes from PSC:

      -1 Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)
      +1 Harald  Panten (PSC)

      For the moment I don't make a vote. The last time I went to study the request and you tell me that is not necessary.

      Now you add the positive vote of Omar Castiñeira, but I don't see the mail form him.

      I need more information. Why this change?

      Greetings,
      Ignacio

       

      El 14/7/22 a las 13:27, Jairo Llopis escribió:

      El jue, 14 de jul de 2022 a las 11:21:53 AM, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:

      Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh

       

      Of course +1

      --
      Ignacio Ibeas
      Acysos S.L. (www.acysos.com)
      Odoo Partner (https://www.odoo.com/es_ES/partners/acysos-s-l-80090)
      Asociado Asociación Española de Odoo (https://www.aeodoo.org/members/acysos-s-l-24)
      Odoo Community Association (https://odoo-community.org/members/acysos-s-l-ignacio-ibeas-760)
      Github (http://www.github.com/acysos)
      Odoo Apps (https://www.odoo.com/apps/modules/browse?author=Acysos S.L.)
      C/ Miguel Astrain 18, 1º Oficina A
      31006 Pamplona, Navarra.
      ignacio@acysos.com
      Tel. 948238905
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      by Rafael Blasco (Moduon) - 10:16 - 18 Jul 2022
    • Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

      Hello,

      I'm the oldest PSC, but I know that now I'm less active.

      I don't understand. You request a several weeks ago, but you withdraw the request. Now I see you get the approve from the new PSC.

      Now you has this votes from PSC:

      -1 Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)
      +1 Harald  Panten (PSC)

      For the moment I don't make a vote. The last time I went to study the request and you tell me that is not neccesary.

      Now you add the positve vote of Omar Castiñeira, but I don't see the mail form him.

      I need more information. Why this change?

      Greetings,
      Ignacio


      El 14/7/22 a las 13:27, Jairo Llopis escribió:
      El jue, 14 de jul de 2022 a las 11:21:53 AM, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:

      Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh


      Of course +1

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      Acysos S.L. (www.acysos.com)
      Odoo Partner (https://www.odoo.com/es_ES/partners/acysos-s-l-80090)
      Asociado Asociación Española de Odoo (https://www.aeodoo.org/members/acysos-s-l-24)
      Odoo Community Association (https://odoo-community.org/members/acysos-s-l-ignacio-ibeas-760)
      Github (http://www.github.com/acysos)
      Odoo Apps (https://www.odoo.com/apps/modules/browse?author=Acysos S.L.)
      C/ Miguel Astrain 18, 1º Oficina A
      31006 Pamplona, Navarra.
      ignacio@acysos.com
      Tel. 948238905
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      confidencial, para ser leída por la(s) persona(s) a quién se dirige. El
      acceso a este mensaje por otras personas no está autorizado. Si Ud. no es la
      persona a la que va dirigido, cualquier divulgación, copia o distribución de
      la información queda prohibida y puede ser ilegal. Asimismo, cualquier acción
      tomada o dejada de tomar basada en la información contenida en este mensaje
      queda prohibida y puede ser ilegal.
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      unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclousure,
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      on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful.
      by Ignacio Ibeas - 05:50 - 14 Jul 2022
    • Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

      Hello,

      I'm the oldest PSC, but I know that now I'm less active.

      I don't understand. You request a several weeks ago, but you withdraw the request. Now I see you get the approve from the new PSC.

      Now you has this votes from PSC:

      -1 Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)
      +1 Harald  Panten (PSC)

      For the moment I don't make a vote. The last time I went to study the request and you tell me that is not neccesary.

      Now you add the positve vote of Omar Castiñeira, but I don't see the mail form him.

      I need more information. Why this change?

      Greetings,
      Ignacio

      El 14/7/22 a las 13:27, Jairo Llopis escribió:
      El jue, 14 de jul de 2022 a las 11:21:53 AM, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:

      Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh


      Of course +1

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      Ignacio Ibeas
      Acysos S.L. (www.acysos.com)
      Odoo Partner (https://www.odoo.com/es_ES/partners/acysos-s-l-80090)
      Asociado Asociación Española de Odoo (https://www.aeodoo.org/members/acysos-s-l-24)
      Odoo Community Association (https://odoo-community.org/members/acysos-s-l-ignacio-ibeas-760)
      Github (http://www.github.com/acysos)
      Odoo Apps (https://www.odoo.com/apps/modules/browse?author=Acysos S.L.)
      C/ Miguel Astrain 18, 1º Oficina A
      31006 Pamplona, Navarra.
      ignacio@acysos.com
      Tel. 948238905
      ---------------------- // -------------------
      La información contenida en este mensaje de correo electrónico es
      confidencial, para ser leída por la(s) persona(s) a quién se dirige. El
      acceso a este mensaje por otras personas no está autorizado. Si Ud. no es la
      persona a la que va dirigido, cualquier divulgación, copia o distribución de
      la información queda prohibida y puede ser ilegal. Asimismo, cualquier acción
      tomada o dejada de tomar basada en la información contenida en este mensaje
      queda prohibida y puede ser ilegal.
      The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
      It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone is
      unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclousure,
      copying, distribuition or any action taken or omited to be taken in reliance
      on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful.
      by Ignacio Ibeas - 05:46 - 14 Jul 2022
    • Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
      +1 for Rafa

      It's another case of very useful contributor and I believe he will never merge modules out of his expertise.

      -----------------------------------------------------------
      Josean Soroa


      El jue., 14 jul. 2022 13:21, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:

      Hello,

       

      Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh

       

      Furthermore, I would like to help and contribute and more active with the new waves’ con contributors with my experience and knowledge.

       

      I got     1x   “-1” from Pedro M. Baeza (PSC)

      I got     1x   “+1” from Harald Panten (PSC)

      I got     3x   “+1” from Omar Castiñeira (actually PSC from today), Valentin Vinagre, Alex Comba

       

      I would like that other contributors lis Vicent Cubells (Actually PSC from Today), Ignacio Ibeas (PSC), and the most of you give an opinion about if you think if it would be helpful to be PSC

       

      As I said

       

      • I’m PSC actually in OCA in Accounting, Sales and other repos
      • I’m OCA contributor from 2015
      • I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.

       

      Thanks in adnvace!

       

      Regards

      Rafael Blasco

       

       

       

      De: Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) pedro.baeza@tecnativa.com
      Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:12
      Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      Sorry, but as PSC administrative of the Spanish localization, I have to decline this offer, as I don't consider him to have enough knowledge about this, and I don't want merges without enough review, as this is very critical. Anyways, this repo is perfectly maintained right now.

       

      Regards.

       

       

      De: Alex Comba alex.comba@agilebg.com
      Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 9:03
      Para: Contributors       contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      +1

       

       

      De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga valentin.vinagre@sygel.es
      Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
      Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      +1

       

       

      De: Omar Castiñeira omar@comunitea.com
      Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 20:03
      Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      +1

       

       

      De: Harald Panten Lopez harald.panten@sygel.es
      Enviado el: sábado, 14 de mayo de 2022 0:48
      Para: Contributors contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      +1!

       

       

      De: Rafael Blasco rblasco@rbnpro.com
      Enviado el: lunes, 16 de mayo de 2022 17:34
      Para: 'Odoo Community Association (OCA) Contributors' contributors@odoo-community.org
      Asunto: RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      In my side, the request is closed. Don’t worry I won’t be PSC, I’m a functional contributor!

       

      Do you mean, I don’t have enough technical knowledge? Or functional? 😃

       

      So, without technical knowledge I can’t be PSC?

       

      If Pedro thinks they don’t need help I don’t have to be PSC, no problem 😊 I will happy and kindly contribute. I don’t need to be PSC.

       

      But to clarify, I don’t have enough technical knowledge because even though I’m a Computer Science Engineer I don’t develop. I agree.

       

      Harald is PSC, also don’t develop, is functional, and he have a really well knowledge and we are together in the OCA Code Sprint fixing together issues around Spanish Localization https://github.com/odoo/odoo/pull/91455

       

      In the other hand, I don’t want any contributor miss understand Pedro’s opinion (technical opinion) about my knowledge:

       

      • I have a deep and long knowledge in Finance and Taxation In Spain, Certified by Madrid Chamber of Commerce since 2013.

       

      • I have contributed with design and legal validation Spanish Localization Modules since 2015 catching BUGs like this one. Or validating legally like here.

       

       

      • I’ve been implementing Odoo Accounting with Spanish Localization since OpenERP 6.1 in Antiun Ingeniería. You can check attached an Excel with the 119 OCA Modules we contribute o create in OCA from Antiun Ingeniería where I was the Odoo Project Manager. Been Antiun Top10 contributor in Odoo Apps.

       

      • I was in the OCA Board

       

      • Finish, I haven’t broke anythink merging PRs since 2015 (see image 3D from Github Bellow)

       

      😃 Don’t worry and be happy!

       

       

      De: Valentin Vinagre Urteaga <valentin.vinagre@sygel.es>
      Enviado el: domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022 22:22
      Para: Contributors <contributors@odoo-community.org>
      Asunto: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC

       

      +1



      El 15 may 2022, a las 20:02, Omar Castiñeira <omar@comunitea.com> escribió:

      

      +1

       

      El sáb, 14 may 2022 0:47, Harald Panten Lopez <harald.panten@sygel.es> escribió:

      +1!

       

      El vie., 13 may. 2022 18:42, Rafael Blasco <rblasco@rbnpro.com> escribió:

      Dear contributors,

      I would like to apply as PSC for Spanish Localization

      I have deep knowledge in accounting and legal and fiscal requirements from Spanish administration. In fact, this Code Sprint I will focus only in reviewing and fixing Fiscal issues.

      I’m already PSC of other repositories like accounting.

      I think I can help to Spanish localization and maintain it up to date, as you know, reviewing functionally, testing, and organizing.

      https://github.com/rafaelbn

      Thanks to consider my request

      Regards,

      Rafael Blasco

       

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      by Josean Soroa - 05:30 - 14 Jul 2022
    • RE: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
      El jue, 14 de jul de 2022 a las 11:21:53 AM, Rafael Blasco <notifications@odoo-community.org> escribió:

      Due the issue in OCA about mailing list and Spam which was solved by Jairo and Stefan surely my proposition wasn’t received by the Spanish community, and today looks like the best day to refresh


      Of course +1
      by Jairo Llopis - 01:26 - 14 Jul 2022