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Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi all.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Pablo.
My reasons are:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- Pablo has big experience in different OCA repositories
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
Excuse me for this long answer but the question is very important for us.
My vote is +1 for Pablo.
My reasons are:
- I believe in our l10n-spain repo, we shoudn't restrict PSCs to those with deep knowledge of all 39 modules. Selected PSCs should be professionals with enough experience on OCA contribution rules and aware of its limitations. They have to review and merge only modules within their area of expertise.
- Pablo has big experience in different OCA repositories
- I know him as a serious and responsible professional. I'm sure he is not going to merge PRs outside his expertise.
In are more deep explanation, I'm involved in this question by 3 different rules.
- As President of Aeodoo I'm trying to boost spanish localization and I believe that one of the mistakes in spanish community is the very small number of PSCs
From last year Urtzi (from Coninpe) is the member of the board of Aeodoo leading with spanish localization and results are very hopeful. Just see "Mentoring project". Hi has a very good vision on this point and is asking for more PSCs.
- As member of "Basque Country localization team", I'm actively working to add specific Basque fiscal requirements (basically Ticketbai). Leader of this team is Victor (from Kernet) and this days is in holidays, so I speak in his name. We are planning to proceed with two code sprints on this july and we need enough PSCs to not stop the development of this window. In this team we are 10 companies with a compromise of at least 2 resources dedicated to this activities, each one (so 20 people). Objective is to have all our needed developments from v13 to v15 at the end of July. This is not possible if we have to wait to much for merge. Take note that we are speaking about 5 modules x 2 versions (14 and 15) = 10 PRs with their approvals and merges.
This is too much work in a windows of 2 days for only one or two PSCs and they need good knowledge about Basque fiscality. None of actual PSCs is involved directly in this developments.
- As contributor I see other questions. For example, in Italy they have 9 PSCs (as explained by Sergio Corato in this mailing list). All of them are fully skilled in their 54 modules? I'm sure they're not. But I'm sure each one of them only merges modules that they know enough.
I hope other members of the community will agree with this point of view and will send a +1 to this applicant.
Thanks.
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El mié, 13 jul 2022 a las 11:37, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:
Although Pablo is a beloved general OCA contributor, his experience in l10n-spain is not enough for promoting him to Spanish localization PSC, sorry.-1Regards._______________________________________________
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by Josean Soroa - 12:45 - 14 Jul 2022
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Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
At Studio73 we are working with Odoo since OpenERP 6.0 and we have contributed to some of the l10n-spain core modules.We are an experience team with the Spanish fiscal demands and we would like to help to our localization at the migration for next Odoo's release.Best Regards,
Pablo Fuentes
Gerente - Ing. Informático
pablo@studio73.esConsultoría Informática Studio 73 S.L.
C/ Camí vell de l'estació, 6 Bajo Izquierda
46870 - Ontinyent (Valencia)
www.studio73.es - 96 191 12 79
by Pablo Fuentes Rodríguez - 11:01 - 13 Jul 2022-
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi all.I don't want to be polemic, I just would like to have a decision based in good information and following answer of Pablo, I think he can help us with some more info.Pablo, I know you're the leader of a very skilled team.To clarify this point to the rest of contributors, could you share with us github accounts of your developers and the sum of all their PRs in state closed?I mean the metric proposed by Pedro withIn a quick review I can share this, with all of you.PRs closed and authored by:
1) Actual PSCs in descending order
Pedro, 216
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Apedrobaeza+is%3Aclosed+
Acysos, 51
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Aacysos+is%3Aclosed+
Omar, 42
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Aomar7r+is%3Aclosed+
Cubells, 42
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Acubells+is%3Aclosed+
Harald, 12
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3AHaraldPanten+is%3Aclosed+
2) Other involved contributors
Aritz, 132
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Aao-landoo+is%3Aclosed+
Etobella, 76
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Aetobella+is%3Aclosed+
3) Studio73, ???
https://github.com/OCA/l10n-spain/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Afuentes73+is%3Aclosed
6 + other members of this companyThanks.-----------------------------------------------------------Josean SoroaEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 18:12, Pablo Fuentes (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:Hello everyone,
Thank you all for your kind words. Just for the record.
Although you might think that I do not have enough experience in l10n-spain, technically I do, and functionally I am well advised by my colleagues who have enough experience (1 lawyer and 3 tax advisors).
So my proposal was on behalf of the Studio73 team because I am the one with the most availability.
About very few contributions it's not compleatly fair. I'm behind most of my colleagues contributions during the analysis and internal review and this is dificult to measure but it's ok.
Regardless, there is no problem by my side not to promote as a PSC.
Thanks for your consideration.
Best Regards,Pablo Fuentes
Gerente - Ing. Informático
pablo@studio73.esConsultoría Informática Studio 73 S.L.
C/ Camí vell de l'estació, 6 Bajo Izquierda
46870 - Ontinyent (Valencia)
www.studio73.es - 96 191 12 79El jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 15:07, Enric Tobella Alomar (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:IMO, It is too soon for Pablo being a PSC member. You can check how many PRS he has done on OCA and it is not so much:Most of them are from long time ago and only 6 in l10n-spain.It is allways interesting to have PSCs, but I would prefer to see him more on action before.Kind regards,From: Urtzi Pérez <notifications@odoo-community.org>
To: "Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 11:56:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.¿Nos dejas una reseña en Google My Business? Haz Clic AquíUrtzi PérezPol. Ind. Torrelarragoiti Parcela 8A- Pab. 1048170 ZamudioAviso legal: Este mensaje electrónico está dirigido únicamente a la(s) dirección(es) indicadas anteriormente; el carácter confidencial, personal e intransferible del mismo está protegido legalmente. Cualquier revelación, uso o reenvío no autorizado, completo o en parte, está prohibido. Si ha recibido este mensaje por equivocación, notifíquelo inmediatamente a la persona que lo ha enviado y borre el mensaje original junto con sus ficheros anexos sin leerlo ni grabarlo, total o parcialmenteEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Josean Soroa - 02:26 - 15 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hello everyone,
Thank you all for your kind words. Just for the record.
Although you might think that I do not have enough experience in l10n-spain, technically I do, and functionally I am well advised by my colleagues who have enough experience (1 lawyer and 3 tax advisors).
So my proposal was on behalf of the Studio73 team because I am the one with the most availability.
About very few contributions it's not compleatly fair. I'm behind most of my colleagues contributions during the analysis and internal review and this is dificult to measure but it's ok.
Regardless, there is no problem by my side not to promote as a PSC.
Thanks for your consideration.
Best Regards,Pablo Fuentes
Gerente - Ing. Informático
pablo@studio73.esConsultoría Informática Studio 73 S.L.
C/ Camí vell de l'estació, 6 Bajo Izquierda
46870 - Ontinyent (Valencia)
www.studio73.es - 96 191 12 79El jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 15:07, Enric Tobella Alomar (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:IMO, It is too soon for Pablo being a PSC member. You can check how many PRS he has done on OCA and it is not so much:Most of them are from long time ago and only 6 in l10n-spain.It is allways interesting to have PSCs, but I would prefer to see him more on action before.Kind regards,From: Urtzi Pérez <notifications@odoo-community.org>
To: "Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 11:56:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.¿Nos dejas una reseña en Google My Business? Haz Clic AquíUrtzi PérezPol. Ind. Torrelarragoiti Parcela 8A- Pab. 1048170 ZamudioAviso legal: Este mensaje electrónico está dirigido únicamente a la(s) dirección(es) indicadas anteriormente; el carácter confidencial, personal e intransferible del mismo está protegido legalmente. Cualquier revelación, uso o reenvío no autorizado, completo o en parte, está prohibido. Si ha recibido este mensaje por equivocación, notifíquelo inmediatamente a la persona que lo ha enviado y borre el mensaje original junto con sus ficheros anexos sin leerlo ni grabarlo, total o parcialmenteEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Pablo Fuentes Rodríguez - 06:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Helo,
I'm agree with the Enric reply. For the moment nevative vote.
Greetings
El 14/7/22 a las 15:07, Enric Tobella Alomar escribió:
IMO, It is too soon for Pablo being a PSC member. You can check how many PRS he has done on OCA and it is not so much:Most of them are from long time ago and only 6 in l10n-spain.It is allways interesting to have PSCs, but I would prefer to see him more on action before.Kind regards,From: Urtzi Pérez <notifications@odoo-community.org>
To: "Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 11:56:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.¿Nos dejas una reseña en Google My Business? Haz Clic AquíUrtzi PérezPol. Ind. Torrelarragoiti Parcela 8A- Pab. 1048170 ZamudioAviso legal: Este mensaje electrónico está dirigido únicamente a la(s) dirección(es) indicadas anteriormente; el carácter confidencial, personal e intransferible del mismo está protegido legalmente. Cualquier revelación, uso o reenvío no autorizado, completo o en parte, está prohibido. Si ha recibido este mensaje por equivocación, notifíquelo inmediatamente a la persona que lo ha enviado y borre el mensaje original junto con sus ficheros anexos sin leerlo ni grabarlo, total o parcialmenteEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Ignacio Ibeas - 06:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
IMO, It is too soon for Pablo being a PSC member. You can check how many PRS he has done on OCA and it is not so much:Most of them are from long time ago and only 6 in l10n-spain.It is allways interesting to have PSCs, but I would prefer to see him more on action before.Kind regards,From: Urtzi Pérez <notifications@odoo-community.org>
To: "Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 11:56:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Hi,In my opinion Pablo is a +1 too.I agree with every point Josean has explained, and as the responsible of the spanish localization and member of the board of Aeodoo, I'd like to reinforce Josean's words saying that the projects we are facing this year will result in a large amount of contributions in short periods of time, so we'd need some efficiency in the deepest technical reviews most contributors can't do (mostly because of lack of experience).Pedro, I think the most important concept is to give the Spanish localization the push it needs. I'm sure that working with skilled people like Pablo could help you (and the other actual PSCs) to improve the repository's health.Regards.¿Nos dejas una reseña en Google My Business? Haz Clic AquíUrtzi PérezPol. Ind. Torrelarragoiti Parcela 8A- Pab. 1048170 ZamudioAviso legal: Este mensaje electrónico está dirigido únicamente a la(s) dirección(es) indicadas anteriormente; el carácter confidencial, personal e intransferible del mismo está protegido legalmente. Cualquier revelación, uso o reenvío no autorizado, completo o en parte, está prohibido. Si ha recibido este mensaje por equivocación, notifíquelo inmediatamente a la persona que lo ha enviado y borre el mensaje original junto con sus ficheros anexos sin leerlo ni grabarlo, total o parcialmenteEl jue, 14 jul 2022 a las 13:07, Pedro M. Baeza (Tecnativa) (<notifications@odoo-community.org>) escribió:They can contribute the same reviewing and proposing pull requests. The only difference is the right to trigger the merge command. What can't be done is someone that hasn't contributed a lot yet to the localization to have the same merits that someone that has done a lot along the years.This proposal can be reviewed in some time when the number of contributions will be significant.Regards._______________________________________________
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by Enric Tobella Alomar - 03:06 - 14 Jul 2022 -
Re: Proposing myself as l10n-spain PSC
Sorry, but only PSCs can approve new requests, so your opinion can be welcome, but you don't know and understand enough PSC rules and what meritocracy means.Regards.
by Pedro M. Baeza - 02:06 - 14 Jul 2022
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