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Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

Hi, 
I did some translation on translation.odoo-community.org using the web interface.
Now I desire to have an overall view of a repository translation and fix some imprecisions I did, expecially for common and repeated strings.
I see that I can download the repo's POs file but the Weblate option to upload them isn't enabled.
If isn't possible to enable the upload, there is a way to go around this (i.e. sending the fixed files to someone)? Or the only solution is the web interface?

Second question, on Transifex for Odoo project there is the revision option enabled that grant a better quality of the translations.
Do you think that it can be activate on OCA Weblate too?

Thanks for attention.
 
PS: I hope to had use the right mailing list for this questions. 


Stefano Consolaro
www.mymage.it
by Stefano Consolaro - 10:26 - 20 Jan 2023

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  • Re: odoo accounting and IFRS posting, reporting, rules and regulations
    Hi Joe,

    This is an interesting question. My (limited) knowledge on reporting standards, leads me to believe that having a generic IFRS compliance is asking too much to odoo.There is SO much in IFRS, that i don't see how you can have that. Having seen several SME oriented accounting software, I would say that odoo is likewise, well equipped, for simple processes; but beware of complicated processes. e.g. (but not limited to):
    - Recognition of work in progress (for MRP, or for long run services e.g. audit, or in the construction industry, or in the travel industry)
    - Everything related to consolidated figures (investment in other companies etc..)

    and this is just what I have in mind..
    So, it strongly depends on the industry, and i believe that in other standalone software, a lot of schedules are kept in Excel, and the entries are manually passed. Odoo is not worse, and at least some could be automated (customisation)

    My 2 cents,
    Dominique


    On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 01:48, Joerg Lorenz <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
    Dear Community, 

    we are currently investigating the possibility of support of odoo community for accounting with IFRS rules and regulations. Best would be, if we would see a layered chart of accounts and accounting rules dependent on the books to reflect.
    There are various applications for layered charts of accounts,  like tax related books, valuation of stock and deprecation of inventory,  in several countries in Italy,etc. 

    On IFRS: 
    Our current findings are that Vauxoo has done a module formerly, but this is for up to V8 and addresses the matter of reporting only, it appears.

    What we do not know is if the invoicing rules, inventory deprecation and other postings and acounting posting templates are present to support a full fledged usage of odoo (community) with IFRS.
    It would be very helpful if we could get a couple of practical experience reports like "we have done it, it worked on version XY"

    It would be terrific if we could connect our client with one of your clients for exchange of experience, where we would be happy to sign an NDA as well.  Also - if appreciated - we would like to turn this job over to an experiences partner, but this could be step 2. 

    First we need to convince the client, that odoo-  and in particular the OCA - is stronger and better than the proprietary competing solutions out there. 

    Appreciate the power of out community here. Any comment welcome

    Thanks, Joe


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    by dominique.k - 08:36 - 13 Jul 2023
  • odoo accounting and IFRS posting, reporting, rules and regulations
    Dear Community, 

    we are currently investigating the possibility of support of odoo community for accounting with IFRS rules and regulations. Best would be, if we would see a layered chart of accounts and accounting rules dependent on the books to reflect.
    There are various applications for layered charts of accounts,  like tax related books, valuation of stock and deprecation of inventory,  in several countries in Italy,etc. 

    On IFRS: 
    Our current findings are that Vauxoo has done a module formerly, but this is for up to V8 and addresses the matter of reporting only, it appears.

    What we do not know is if the invoicing rules, inventory deprecation and other postings and acounting posting templates are present to support a full fledged usage of odoo (community) with IFRS.
    It would be very helpful if we could get a couple of practical experience reports like "we have done it, it worked on version XY"

    It would be terrific if we could connect our client with one of your clients for exchange of experience, where we would be happy to sign an NDA as well.  Also - if appreciated - we would like to turn this job over to an experiences partner, but this could be step 2. 

    First we need to convince the client, that odoo-  and in particular the OCA - is stronger and better than the proprietary competing solutions out there. 

    Appreciate the power of out community here. Any comment welcome

    Thanks, Joe


    by Joerg Lorenz. - 07:48 - 12 Jul 2023
  • Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions
    Hi Rémi,

    Thanks for your investigation.

    Asking support from weblate is a good idea. The board agrees to free up a small budget to get specialized support and put us on the right track.

    I'll PM you with the details.

    Best regards,

    -Stéphane

    On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 2:12 PM Rémi CAZENAVE - Le Filament <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

    Hi Stéphane, all,

    I have been looking into the best way to integrate OCA repos inside Weblate but could not figure it out by myself. I have found a few promising things however :

    I have also looked in Transifex and was able to export glossary and translation memory used by Odoo (so that OCA modules translations are as much as possible coherent with Odoo ones). Next step would be to import those in Weblate (I am working on French ones for now).


    As you mentioned, from my point of view, before going more in details on what we could do on Weblate, we would need to question the organization of projects / components. I have tried to figure out what is the best way to implement those based on Weblate documentation, but with not much findings. I think the best way-forward would be to ask support from Weblate directly to ask them what would be the most efficient way to do so.

    I have discussed this point internally at Le Filament and we would be OK to pay for a few hours of support from Weblate engineers on this OCA topic.


    Basically, I would like to present them :

    • what OCA has to translate (GitHub repos, with branches and modules inside),
    • OCA processes regarding translations (pot file generated by odoobot and pushed to Weblate, Weblate pushes translations back to repo)
    • (the way we implemented it in Weblate)
    • the languages we use

    And ask them the following :

    • What would be the best way to integrate OCA modules to ease translation while keeping automatic workflows ?
    • Also, I would like to ask them whether it is possible to merge redundant languages (for instance is it necessary to keep both fr and fr_FR translations) ?
    • What is according to them the best path towards automatic translations (keeping only review / correction / validation by translation teams before pushing to OCA repos)


    I am not sure how to get approval from OCA to perform the above (maybe even whether I should seek approval) ? Let me know if this should be granted by OCA board or if I could go forward if noone is against it (please tell me if you do object with the approach) ?

    Let me know also if you see other questions that we could ask them ?


    Best Regards,

    Rémi

    Le 22/06/2023 à 18:16, Stéphane Bidoul a écrit :
    A DeepL integration in weblate would be great. If the budget is reasonable we may even imagine that OCA could cover the DeepL cost.

    I suspect however that a prerequisite to make that work is the better organization of the projects and glossaries that I mentioned before.

    -sbi


    On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 5:52 PM Rémi CAZENAVE - Le Filament <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

    Hi Stefano,

    We also had discussions for French translations earlier today (not really to add validation layers / access rights but rather to improve the number of translated modules) and we are about to test translating with DeepL using Traduction Memory and Glossaries to see how good it gets and if it can improve a lot contributing with French translation.

    (For now we will test it outside Weblate and import translations manually in Weblate, but it is also possible to directly interface Weblate with DeepL to get automatic translations or suggestions, maybe we could go into that direction if it really helps !)


    Also, I had a few spare minutes so I unlocked all the repositories you listed below in Weblate.

    It seems that this could be scripted but I would have needed access to the server which I do not have so I did it manually, one by one.

    As for why they were locked I cannot say, the only thing I see is that these were locked because of error, but I could not find the error...


    Best Regards,

    Rémi


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    Le 22/06/2023 à 08:31, Stefano Consolaro a écrit :
    Hi Stéphane,
    you are not alone with a lot a things to do and the my reply time to your answer prove it ;-)

    We (italian members) have talked a bit and will probably install a test server after the summer to test configuration options and functionalities.
    After that we will share results and some ideas on how to rules the translations.

    In the meantime I ask you the favour to unlock some modules listed below (but there are many more).
    But, why some modules are locked?
    Is there a way to unlock all at once or do you have to do them one at a time?
    Thanks

    Modules locked
    agreement-16.0-agreement
    bank-payment-16-0-account_payment_mode
    connector-16-0-test_component
    contract-16-0-contract
    crm-16.0-crm_claim
    currency-16.0-currency_rate_update
    data-protection-16-0/data-protection-16-0-privacy
    fleet-16.0-fleet_vehicle_fuel_type_ethanol
    helpdesk-16.0-helpdesk_mgmt
    hr-16.0-hr_employee_firstname
    iot-16.0-iot_oca
    l10n-italy-16.0-l10n_it_rea
    management-system-16.0-mgmtsystem
    manufacture-16.0-mrp_warehouse_calendar
    project-16.0-project_type
    purchase-workflow-16.0-purchase_discount
    report-print-send-15-0-base_report_to_printer
    report-print-send-16-0-base_report_to_printer
    server-backend-16.0-base_user_role
    server-backend-16-0-base_user_role
    server-env-16-0-server_environment
    vertical-association-16-0-membership_extension
    vertical-hotel-15.0-hotel_reservation
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    Data Sat, 10 Jun 2023 12:32:03 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    Hi Stefano,

    I also support the idea, obviously ;)

    Unfortunately that alone will not help get things moving as I have several other priorities with OCA infrastructure and tooling that already barely fit in the time I can allocate to it.
    For instance, just preventing weblate to bring down the OCA server swallowed several hours already, recently (and there is still more to do).

    I'm happy to tweak any configuration you propose but I'd need precise indications of what to do with links to the weblate documentation.
    The process part also needs to be elaborated. The high level principle you mentioned sound good but how do we concretely do that in practice? For instance, when one asks to get translation access how will Rebecca know which role to give them? What is the process to accept a new reviewer for a given language? Can we have languages with reviewers and other without? Do we need to publish who has reviewer rights? What does all that imply in terms of weblate configuration?

    Regarding glossaries and translation memories there are also important questions to be investigated. For instance, we now have one project per repo and branch. Is it possible to share glossaries across these? If not, should we / can we group them? Who should have permissions to manage glossaries, etc.

    So there is quite a bit of research to do that, as far as I know, as not been done by anyone yet.

    As I don't think these can be easily experimented live on the OCA instance (I may be wrong about that), I'd recommend anyone who would like to dive in that to setup a test weblate on their local machine and play with that to come up with a proposal or a plan. I'm happy to help with that too.

    Best regards,

    -Stéphane

    On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:01 PM Stefano Consolaro <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
    Hi Stéphane,
    did you give a look to mine and Sergio replies (i attached them below)?

    Last month, as italian community, we had the Odoo Italia Days in Milan. We talked with other people interested in setting up a better way to manage translations, at least for italian language.

    We met Simone Orsi, OCA member, that support this idea.

    In fact we think that what we are looking for could be useful for all language teams.

    If you, or someone else, can invest some time to configure Weblate to activate the requested features, we can test it and give a fast feedback.

    Obviously, we welcome all people willing to join the project.

    Thanks for your time and help.

    Stefano


    Da "Stefano Consolaro" stefano.consolaro@mymage.it
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    Data Mon, 23 Jan 2023 08:40:30 +0100
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    I give my reply for italian language/community:
     
    > Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?
    As far I know we don't have problems of a misuse of the tool. What we noticed is that the "need" and the "hurry" to have the translations, or a lack in the definition of a glossary for common terms, or the contributions of a new entry (like in part I am), goes to some incorrect  or not so pertinent translations.
     
    > What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    Hm, here I don't know what to say, can't be done in the "same way" that PSC are nominated for repository in GitHub?
     
    > How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?
    Yes, this is a weakness. I don't know if it can be done and how, but I'd like to have a system in which the reviewed terms can be changed only by reviewers and other terms can be changed (and then loaded) by anyone (view *).
     > Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.
    Absolutely yes: the lack of resources is a problem and (*) I prefer that a thing is done now than perfect never. So the activation of the review process should be decided by each community.

    Thanks for expanding the discussion, I hope others will join.



    Da "Sergio Zanchetta" notifications@odoo-community.org
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    Data Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:36:56 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    Il giorno dom 22 gen 2023 alle ore 11:27 Stéphane Bidoul <notifications@odoo-community.org> ha scritto:
    We discussed a translation review mechanism before, I think, but IIRC we concluded we need a process first.

    Yes, you are right. :-)

    Below, as italian community in addition to Stefano answers, you can find a proposal.

    Here are a few questions that come to mind. There might be more.

    - Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?

    The second one. Incorrect/low level translations, not only new, that don't follow current community guidelines and glossaries (language specific).

     
    - What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    - How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?

    I would replicate Transifex structure or similar, if possible. Here is a proposal:
    - Anyone can be accepted as translator, strings are pushed as soon as translated. (or on a periodic basis)
    - There is a reviewer role, reviewed strings are freezed and can't be changed by translators.
    -  The coordinator role has reviewer power and can appoint translators as reviewers.

    The coordinator could be nominated by each localization repository PSC. (l10n-*)
    He would be in charge of appointing reviewers evaluating the quality of their translations over time, based on guidelines/glossary compliance.

    - Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.

    Sure, I add that not all communities have translation guidelines. [*]

    [*] e.g. italian guidelines (and glossaries) https://www.odoo-italia.org/documentazione/14.0/traduzioni.html







    Da "Stéphane Bidoul" notifications@odoo-community.org
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    Data Sun, 22 Jan 2023 10:27:40 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    We discussed a translation review mechanism before, I think, but IIRC we concluded we need a process first.

    Here are a few questions that come to mind. There might be more.

    - Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?
    - What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    - How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?
    - Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.

    Best regards,

    -sbi

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    by Stéphane Bidoul - 11:05 - 30 Jun 2023
  • Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions
    Yes, let's do at least the move of sharing glossaries and TM.

    Regards.
    by Pedro M. Baeza - 09:01 - 30 Jun 2023
  • Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions
    Hi Rémi,

    Thank you for your work on this topic. The proposed approach seems very coherent and offers the opportunity for significant improvements in translation processes and quality. Automating translation by using a tool like deepl seems to me to be better in most cases than no translation at all. If the process for correcting inconsistent translations is simplified, this will undoubtedly encourage more people to correct these cases. Being able to share glossaries and translation memories between projects should also increase consistency in translating the same terms across different repos. Let's see what others think.

    Regards,

    Laurent

    On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 2:47 PM Stefano Consolaro <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
    Hi Rémi,
    thanks for your work.

    Regardless what the OCA Board will decide to do with different functionalities of Weblate, I think that know how it can works is a good things.

    We (Italian community) are a bit suspicious on automatic translations. Suggestion can be a good thing, but auto-fill the translation is a bit risky.

    What we desire much is the implementation of the review process, that has to be only tested on Weblate and then organized by OCA.

    Keep share here the news to stay all together up-to-date.

    Ciao
    Stefano

    Da "Rémi CAZENAVE - Le Filament" notifications@odoo-community.org
    Cc
    Data Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:12:00 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    Hi Stéphane, all,

    I have been looking into the best way to integrate OCA repos inside Weblate but could not figure it out by myself. I have found a few promising things however :

    I have also looked in Transifex and was able to export glossary and translation memory used by Odoo (so that OCA modules translations are as much as possible coherent with Odoo ones). Next step would be to import those in Weblate (I am working on French ones for now).


    As you mentioned, from my point of view, before going more in details on what we could do on Weblate, we would need to question the organization of projects / components. I have tried to figure out what is the best way to implement those based on Weblate documentation, but with not much findings. I think the best way-forward would be to ask support from Weblate directly to ask them what would be the most efficient way to do so.

    I have discussed this point internally at Le Filament and we would be OK to pay for a few hours of support from Weblate engineers on this OCA topic.


    Basically, I would like to present them :

    • what OCA has to translate (GitHub repos, with branches and modules inside),
    • OCA processes regarding translations (pot file generated by odoobot and pushed to Weblate, Weblate pushes translations back to repo)
    • (the way we implemented it in Weblate)
    • the languages we use

    And ask them the following :

    • What would be the best way to integrate OCA modules to ease translation while keeping automatic workflows ?
    • Also, I would like to ask them whether it is possible to merge redundant languages (for instance is it necessary to keep both fr and fr_FR translations) ?
    • What is according to them the best path towards automatic translations (keeping only review / correction / validation by translation teams before pushing to OCA repos)


    I am not sure how to get approval from OCA to perform the above (maybe even whether I should seek approval) ? Let me know if this should be granted by OCA board or if I could go forward if noone is against it (please tell me if you do object with the approach) ?

    Let me know also if you see other questions that we could ask them ?


    Best Regards,

    Rémi

    Le 22/06/2023 à 18:16, Stéphane Bidoul a écrit :
    A DeepL integration in weblate would be great. If the budget is reasonable we may even imagine that OCA could cover the DeepL cost.

    I suspect however that a prerequisite to make that work is the better organization of the projects and glossaries that I mentioned before.

    -sbi


    On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 5:52 PM Rémi CAZENAVE - Le Filament <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:

    Hi Stefano,

    We also had discussions for French translations earlier today (not really to add validation layers / access rights but rather to improve the number of translated modules) and we are about to test translating with DeepL using Traduction Memory and Glossaries to see how good it gets and if it can improve a lot contributing with French translation.

    (For now we will test it outside Weblate and import translations manually in Weblate, but it is also possible to directly interface Weblate with DeepL to get automatic translations or suggestions, maybe we could go into that direction if it really helps !)


    Also, I had a few spare minutes so I unlocked all the repositories you listed below in Weblate.

    It seems that this could be scripted but I would have needed access to the server which I do not have so I did it manually, one by one.

    As for why they were locked I cannot say, the only thing I see is that these were locked because of error, but I could not find the error...


    Best Regards,

    Rémi


    --X-BM-SIGNATURE--
    Le 22/06/2023 à 08:31, Stefano Consolaro a écrit :
    Hi Stéphane,
    you are not alone with a lot a things to do and the my reply time to your answer prove it ;-)

    We (italian members) have talked a bit and will probably install a test server after the summer to test configuration options and functionalities.
    After that we will share results and some ideas on how to rules the translations.

    In the meantime I ask you the favour to unlock some modules listed below (but there are many more).
    But, why some modules are locked?
    Is there a way to unlock all at once or do you have to do them one at a time?
    Thanks

    Modules locked
    agreement-16.0-agreement
    bank-payment-16-0-account_payment_mode
    connector-16-0-test_component
    contract-16-0-contract
    crm-16.0-crm_claim
    currency-16.0-currency_rate_update
    data-protection-16-0/data-protection-16-0-privacy
    fleet-16.0-fleet_vehicle_fuel_type_ethanol
    helpdesk-16.0-helpdesk_mgmt
    hr-16.0-hr_employee_firstname
    iot-16.0-iot_oca
    l10n-italy-16.0-l10n_it_rea
    management-system-16.0-mgmtsystem
    manufacture-16.0-mrp_warehouse_calendar
    project-16.0-project_type
    purchase-workflow-16.0-purchase_discount
    report-print-send-15-0-base_report_to_printer
    report-print-send-16-0-base_report_to_printer
    server-backend-16.0-base_user_role
    server-backend-16-0-base_user_role
    server-env-16-0-server_environment
    vertical-association-16-0-membership_extension
    vertical-hotel-15.0-hotel_reservation
    Da "Stéphane Bidoul" notifications@odoo-community.org
    Cc
    Data Sat, 10 Jun 2023 12:32:03 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    Hi Stefano,

    I also support the idea, obviously ;)

    Unfortunately that alone will not help get things moving as I have several other priorities with OCA infrastructure and tooling that already barely fit in the time I can allocate to it.
    For instance, just preventing weblate to bring down the OCA server swallowed several hours already, recently (and there is still more to do).

    I'm happy to tweak any configuration you propose but I'd need precise indications of what to do with links to the weblate documentation.
    The process part also needs to be elaborated. The high level principle you mentioned sound good but how do we concretely do that in practice? For instance, when one asks to get translation access how will Rebecca know which role to give them? What is the process to accept a new reviewer for a given language? Can we have languages with reviewers and other without? Do we need to publish who has reviewer rights? What does all that imply in terms of weblate configuration?

    Regarding glossaries and translation memories there are also important questions to be investigated. For instance, we now have one project per repo and branch. Is it possible to share glossaries across these? If not, should we / can we group them? Who should have permissions to manage glossaries, etc.

    So there is quite a bit of research to do that, as far as I know, as not been done by anyone yet.

    As I don't think these can be easily experimented live on the OCA instance (I may be wrong about that), I'd recommend anyone who would like to dive in that to setup a test weblate on their local machine and play with that to come up with a proposal or a plan. I'm happy to help with that too.

    Best regards,

    -Stéphane

    On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:01 PM Stefano Consolaro <notifications@odoo-community.org> wrote:
    Hi Stéphane,
    did you give a look to mine and Sergio replies (i attached them below)?

    Last month, as italian community, we had the Odoo Italia Days in Milan. We talked with other people interested in setting up a better way to manage translations, at least for italian language.

    We met Simone Orsi, OCA member, that support this idea.

    In fact we think that what we are looking for could be useful for all language teams.

    If you, or someone else, can invest some time to configure Weblate to activate the requested features, we can test it and give a fast feedback.

    Obviously, we welcome all people willing to join the project.

    Thanks for your time and help.

    Stefano


    Da "Stefano Consolaro" stefano.consolaro@mymage.it
    Cc
    Data Mon, 23 Jan 2023 08:40:30 +0100
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    I give my reply for italian language/community:
     
    > Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?
    As far I know we don't have problems of a misuse of the tool. What we noticed is that the "need" and the "hurry" to have the translations, or a lack in the definition of a glossary for common terms, or the contributions of a new entry (like in part I am), goes to some incorrect  or not so pertinent translations.
     
    > What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    Hm, here I don't know what to say, can't be done in the "same way" that PSC are nominated for repository in GitHub?
     
    > How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?
    Yes, this is a weakness. I don't know if it can be done and how, but I'd like to have a system in which the reviewed terms can be changed only by reviewers and other terms can be changed (and then loaded) by anyone (view *).
     > Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.
    Absolutely yes: the lack of resources is a problem and (*) I prefer that a thing is done now than perfect never. So the activation of the review process should be decided by each community.

    Thanks for expanding the discussion, I hope others will join.



    Da "Sergio Zanchetta" notifications@odoo-community.org
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    Data Mon, 23 Jan 2023 10:36:56 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    Il giorno dom 22 gen 2023 alle ore 11:27 Stéphane Bidoul <notifications@odoo-community.org> ha scritto:
    We discussed a translation review mechanism before, I think, but IIRC we concluded we need a process first.

    Yes, you are right. :-)

    Below, as italian community in addition to Stefano answers, you can find a proposal.

    Here are a few questions that come to mind. There might be more.

    - Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?

    The second one. Incorrect/low level translations, not only new, that don't follow current community guidelines and glossaries (language specific).

     
    - What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    - How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?

    I would replicate Transifex structure or similar, if possible. Here is a proposal:
    - Anyone can be accepted as translator, strings are pushed as soon as translated. (or on a periodic basis)
    - There is a reviewer role, reviewed strings are freezed and can't be changed by translators.
    -  The coordinator role has reviewer power and can appoint translators as reviewers.

    The coordinator could be nominated by each localization repository PSC. (l10n-*)
    He would be in charge of appointing reviewers evaluating the quality of their translations over time, based on guidelines/glossary compliance.

    - Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.

    Sure, I add that not all communities have translation guidelines. [*]

    [*] e.g. italian guidelines (and glossaries) https://www.odoo-italia.org/documentazione/14.0/traduzioni.html







    Da "Stéphane Bidoul" notifications@odoo-community.org
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    Data Sun, 22 Jan 2023 10:27:40 -0000
    Oggetto Re: [FIX]:Weblate - use po file download/upload - revisions

    We discussed a translation review mechanism before, I think, but IIRC we concluded we need a process first.

    Here are a few questions that come to mind. There might be more.

    - Clearly define the problem we are attempting to solve? For instance, Is it "vandalism" of existing translations (this could be solved by banning offenders)? Or is it incorrect/low quality new translations (which can be fixed easily after the fact, I suppose)? Or something else?
    - What would be the process to appoint/elect reviewers? Currently we accept anyone who asks.
    - How to make sure translation proposals are not stuck for too long waiting for review?
    - Should/can we enable the review process per language? This may be important as not all language communities have the resources to have dedicated reviewers.

    Best regards,

    -sbi

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